Deuteronomy 18:20-22: “However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die, but only if he specifically says the magic words 'this is the word of Jehovah.' If he doesn't say those magic words then that prophet has no accountability even though he was full of baloney. So ya see that whether or not this false prophet lives or dies hinges on whether he said the magic words, so you better listen for 'em! And in case you should say in your heart: ‘How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?’ when the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak . With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it. You must not get frightened at him, provided, of course, that he used the magic words. Again, if he did not use the magic words, he is not accountable for what he said and he can make up any ol' thing he wants with impunity .’
Olin Moyles Ghost
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The PERFECT Translation...for Churchoids!
by theMadJW inhttp://www.themadjws.com/thercvbible.htm.
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The PERFECT Translation...for Churchoids!
by theMadJW inhttp://www.themadjws.com/thercvbible.htm.
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Olin Moyles Ghost
1 Corinthians 4:6: "I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, unless you're the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society."
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The PERFECT Translation...for Churchoids!
by theMadJW inhttp://www.themadjws.com/thercvbible.htm.
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Olin Moyles Ghost
1 John 4:1: "Do not believe every inspired expression except for those from the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, but test the inspired expression unless it came from the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society to see whether it is from God, for many false prophets have come into the world."
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The PERFECT Translation...for Churchoids!
by theMadJW inhttp://www.themadjws.com/thercvbible.htm.
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Olin Moyles Ghost
*sigh* I guess MadJW's pride simply got the better of him. Still refusing to admit his double standard. Oh well, that's a common trait of religious fundamentalists.
While we're on the subject of making up fake Bible verses, how about this one--from the New World Translation 2010 edition!
Matthew 24:34: "truly I say to you, people whose lives overlap with this generation will not pass away until all these things occur."
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The PERFECT Translation...for Churchoids!
by theMadJW inhttp://www.themadjws.com/thercvbible.htm.
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Olin Moyles Ghost
Notice how MadJW again attempts to deflect the issue. His pride gets the better of him because he can't simply admit that he has a double standard.
The facts are simple. MadJW (rightfully) ridicules Trinitarians for believing in something they cannot understand or comprehend. Simultaneously, MadJW believes in something that he cannot (and no human can) comprehend--namely an omnipotent god who was never created but has always existed. Talk about a "mystery"! That makes the Trinity look like child's play.
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The revolving door and the hardcore ones
by dgp ini understand that the number of people who join the wt is roughly equal to the number of people who leave.
there's a small difference, overall, but in some countries the number of those leaving might even be slightly above the number of those joining.
and this has been a problem for ever.. i would like some insight into the minds of those who stay in, not because of family reasons, not because of fear, old age, parental control, but because they really believe the scam.
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Olin Moyles Ghost
Isaac, you nailed it. Most JWs stay in for some combination of the 4 attributes you listed. For me, it was mostly #4, a bit of #1, a bit of #2, but almost no #3.
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The PERFECT Translation...for Churchoids!
by theMadJW inhttp://www.themadjws.com/thercvbible.htm.
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Olin Moyles Ghost
Also, notice what MadJW states regarding the Trinity: "So, here we are supposed to believe in a 'Truth' that cannot be understood nor proven! "
I agree with MadJW 100% on this one. The Trinity is a stupid doctrine that can't be proven and makes no sense. Period.
BUT (and it's a big but...he hee) MadJW lacks the courage to take her line of reasoning to its logical conclusion. Specifically, MadJW would have us believe that there exists a supreme being that was never created, but has always existed. This is another "truth" that cannot be understood or proven. However, MadJW believes in this "truth" wholeheartedly. Just another example of hypocrisy by religious fundamentalists. JWs are just like every other fundamentalist religion--hypocritical, deceitful, and deluded.
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The PERFECT Translation...for Churchoids!
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Olin Moyles Ghost
I love how MadJW has the psychic ability to read everyone's mind. Otherwise, how could she have such magical insight as the following "All you anti-JWs attack the WTBS, usually because of bad dealings with some hypocrites- or you're hiding some immoral activity YOU practiced..."
Note how she immediately tries to deflect the issue from whether or not our issues with the WTS and its absurd doctrines are valid. Rather than address these issues, she makes it about *us*. This is classic sophistry, perfected by hucksters like the Watchtower Society.
MadJW would have made a great 14th-century Catholic, condemning heretics who dared to question the doctrines of his holy mother church. Today, substitute "holy mother church" with "Watchtower clergy" and you've got MadJW!
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Can you think of a scripture that best describes the WTS
by wasblind in2 timothy 3:7.
"always learning and yet never able to come to an accurate knowledge of truth.
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Olin Moyles Ghost
Matthew 15:9 - it is in vain that they keep worshiping me, because they teach commands of men as doctrine.
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DC Talk on Generaton
by Cynisister inas i will not be in attendance for this year's district convention, i would love to know exactly what the talk on the new meaning of "generation" actually states.
i visited my recently widowed mother (who found the "truth" when i was a toddler, and therefore i was raised in the religion - quit it totally 3 years ago) and had a lively discussion on the implications of this "new light".
she seemed really disturbed about all the "new anointed" ones coming out of nowhere.
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Olin Moyles Ghost
I recorded and transcribed the portion of the talk dealing with "the generation," and posted about it here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/195062/1/2010-District-Convention-Some-Thoughts-on-the-Sunday-Afternoon-Session
See below for a transcription of the relevant portion of the talk
That brings us to the question here, or the topic, that at no time would we want to leave the "secret place." This is not the time to leave the "secret place," for that matter there wouldn't be any time to leave the "secret place." But especially now is no time to leave the "secret place." Why? Well, particularly in view of the recent clarification we had with regard to Matthew 24 and verse 34. Now turn over there, Matthew 24 and verse 34.
We just had a Watchtower lesson last week with some fine material about this verse. Matthew 24:34: "Truly I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away until all things occur." Of course, the accurate or proper understanding of that really underscores the fact that we're living deep in the time of the end and there's a need at this time as never before for us to have an increased sense of urgency. Of course, that generation consists of contemporaries of individuals who lived at the same time.
Now the Watchtower of--the 2008 Watchtower--the 12/15 issue, page 25 made this comment about the word "generation": it says the word generation usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event. Now we've got an example of that: Exodus 1, and verse 6. "Eventually Joseph died, and also all his brothers, and all that generation."
Just think about what's written there--it refers to Joseph and all his brothers as "that generation." Now 10 of Josephs brothers witnessed events before Joseph's birth and at least 2 of those brothers lived after his death. So they were of a variety of ages but they were contemporaries and viewed as one "generation."
Now, correspondingly, the word "generation" there at Matthew 24:34 is comprised--or comprises--two groups of anointed Christians. The first group was on hand in the year 1914 when the sign of Christ's presence first became observable. The second group of anointed Christians are those who were anointed later and for a time were contemporaries of the older group. Now in view of that, Jesus' words there in Matthew 24:34 indicate that some of the second group will witness the beginning of the Great Tribulation, so the length of the generation, while not specified as far as the number of years, but it's a limited period of time.
Now we might illustrate it this way, F.W. Franz was born in the year 1893, he was baptized in the year 1913, so brother Franz was alive to discern the sign in 1914. Now Brother Franz, excuse me, Brother Franz lived until the year 1992, and many present-day anointed ones were his contemporaries and part of the generation that Jesus said would not pass away until all these things occur.
Now in view of that, Brother Franz, and for that matter, other faithful anointed ones lived in very challenging time period. A very challenging time period where strong faith was needed in order for them to remain in the secret place of the most high.